A Modest Proposal to Anti-Choice Folks
Update: What timing! Pro-life Senator Dan Patrick said, er ... much the same thing. He's just really, really off about the price. Here's my original post:
If anti-abortion types really just want to save fetuses, why not the most obvious solution: make it legal to sell babies?
Okay, I didn't really mean that -- what I meant was, it's legal to pay an egg donor for her "pain and suffering" in the egg donation process, without actually paying her for the eggs themselves (uh-huh). So why not make it legal to pay women for their gestational services in "donating" a full-on baby?
I love when anti-abortion people ask abortion-seeking women, "Why not just have the baby and then give it up for adoption?" Are you kidding? You can sometimes get a guilt-riddled Christian teenager to do that. But, obviously, very few employed adult women are interested in carrying a baby, enduring childbirth, getting stretch marks and getting fat and possibly incurring other, more serious, physical consequences (urinary incontinence is way more common than most people want to discuss, and I'll never forget the diagram I saw in a medical textbook of a "clitoral fissure"), taking time off work (those employed outside large corporations do not get maternity leave), and explaining the whole thing to people who ask questions about your obvious pregnancy. If you don't have a religious belief in the all-out personhood of fetuses, there is simply no reason you would do this. Well, no reason you would do it for free. (I wouldn't have donated eggs for free, and that doesn't even cause stretch marks).
As you undoubtedly have noticed, we live in an increasingly commoditized world, one in which we have already put a price on this service: surrogate mothers receive about $20,000, plus medical expenses and sometimes payment for lost income, for carrying and giving birth to a child.
As per current law, surrogate mothers are always carrying babies made with someone else's eggs, that way they cannot be said to be "selling their babies."
But if you're really against abortion, and perhaps you'd like a baby for less than the $50,000-$100,000 you might spend on a combo of egg donor fees, surrogate fees, IVF, legal and medical expenses, why not legalize one-stop baby production and delivery?
Or, more specifically, why not make it legal to pay women for gestational services they provide in offering babies for adoption? Someone could found a matching agency. Pro-lifers: if you believe abortion is murder, certainly this is better, no? Pro-choicers: if you believe abortion is a human right, then perhaps you might also get behind the idea that women deserve to be compensated in a market economy for tasks traditionally considered "women's work," just as various feminist thinkers (mostly in Europe's socialist nations) have proposed compensating women for domestic labor, and just as women are sometimes compensated for domestic labor (after the fact) in U.S. divorce cases.
Now everyone's offended! By a comedy blog! Discuss.
If anti-abortion types really just want to save fetuses, why not the most obvious solution: make it legal to sell babies?
Okay, I didn't really mean that -- what I meant was, it's legal to pay an egg donor for her "pain and suffering" in the egg donation process, without actually paying her for the eggs themselves (uh-huh). So why not make it legal to pay women for their gestational services in "donating" a full-on baby?
I love when anti-abortion people ask abortion-seeking women, "Why not just have the baby and then give it up for adoption?" Are you kidding? You can sometimes get a guilt-riddled Christian teenager to do that. But, obviously, very few employed adult women are interested in carrying a baby, enduring childbirth, getting stretch marks and getting fat and possibly incurring other, more serious, physical consequences (urinary incontinence is way more common than most people want to discuss, and I'll never forget the diagram I saw in a medical textbook of a "clitoral fissure"), taking time off work (those employed outside large corporations do not get maternity leave), and explaining the whole thing to people who ask questions about your obvious pregnancy. If you don't have a religious belief in the all-out personhood of fetuses, there is simply no reason you would do this. Well, no reason you would do it for free. (I wouldn't have donated eggs for free, and that doesn't even cause stretch marks).As you undoubtedly have noticed, we live in an increasingly commoditized world, one in which we have already put a price on this service: surrogate mothers receive about $20,000, plus medical expenses and sometimes payment for lost income, for carrying and giving birth to a child.
As per current law, surrogate mothers are always carrying babies made with someone else's eggs, that way they cannot be said to be "selling their babies." But if you're really against abortion, and perhaps you'd like a baby for less than the $50,000-$100,000 you might spend on a combo of egg donor fees, surrogate fees, IVF, legal and medical expenses, why not legalize one-stop baby production and delivery?
Or, more specifically, why not make it legal to pay women for gestational services they provide in offering babies for adoption? Someone could found a matching agency. Pro-lifers: if you believe abortion is murder, certainly this is better, no? Pro-choicers: if you believe abortion is a human right, then perhaps you might also get behind the idea that women deserve to be compensated in a market economy for tasks traditionally considered "women's work," just as various feminist thinkers (mostly in Europe's socialist nations) have proposed compensating women for domestic labor, and just as women are sometimes compensated for domestic labor (after the fact) in U.S. divorce cases.
Now everyone's offended! By a comedy blog! Discuss.
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9 Comments:
Your proposal is very interesting Jen and yet I feel that it is unlikely to become law. You would need to define the point at which a baby can no longer be sold. Is a year too long to keep a baby before selling it? Three months? (Teething can be awfuly stressful for parents) A week? Given the fragility of newborns wouldn't a potential buyer want to ensure that the purchase was in good working order and free of any abnormalities? Or are you suggesting a blind purchase with no return policy. What would be the procedure if your purchase was damaged in transit or if it broke in the first year? Does the buyer get a support contract with the seller. If it won't stop making an irritating noise do I get a qualified engineer out to fix the fault? I mean, it's a lot of money and you have ongoing support costs that continue for several decades. What happens if you see a baby that is better than the one you purchased? Can you trade it in? These are all important questions that need anwering before commoditising babies.
It's fine compensating the seller for time and labour (pun intended) but you have to make sure that you get a good product. You really want one that will run for the rest of your life on minimal resources and be able to provide for you in your old age.
Babies aren't like that though. None of them work properly when they reach a certain age. Previously gregarious children will go through faulty periods and refuse to speak or to communicate only in grunts for extended periods. You'd be paying to get rid of them during their teenage years. What if the purchase turned out to be unfit for purpose after an extended period? Say I but a baby because I want a small creature to care for, to feed, clothe and play with. Now after 16 years I'm an unpaid taxi driver who spends each night biting my nails because my little darling hasn't returned home and it's 3 am and they're not answering their mobile phone and I don't like the look of that boy who's been hanging around and she never cleans her room....*sigh*
Surely I didn't buy that?
Now if you could sell teenagers...
But who'd buy them?
Hoverfrog,
Certainly buyers of anything would WANT a money-back guarantee, but, as with many products and services, if the guarantee is not available, there will still be buyers. I can't buy a new car and return it in six months because it doesn't turn sharp corners the way I'd hoped; I can't get a refund on medical care if I don't like the way it was administered; more germanely, I can't get a refund on donor eggs under any circumstances, and there's still plenty of a market for those.
Once you agree to compensate an egg donor for "pain and suffering," there is no guarantee there will even BE a baby at all (in fact, the odds are pretty terrible for such an expensive purchase). Using the same model for actual babies, you'd be compensating the woman for "gestational pain and suffering," and she'd be "donating" the baby. Legal agreements would have to specify that even if the baby died at birth, the woman would be paid. Even though that's a big risk on an expensive purchase, your chances of getting the baby you desire are still MUCH better than your chances through egg donation + IVF + surrogacy. I'm sure you'd still get plenty of buyers, even with those risks.
Jen
Jennifer, I am always entertained when your thoughts goes off in wild directions. They take turns I don't expect, but I just have to see where and how far they will go.
I am suddenly a fan of hoverfrog. HF made some interesting points, which leads me to wonder if HF is a parent? My question is about the baby purchased without a warranty. If this baby has not performed as expected, how do you determine resale value? Is there a Kelly Baby book? Can you get more for a child that is potty trained? What about one with straight teeth?
Thanks for your comments Jen. What you say is true if you are paying for a service. Then only if the service is for a woman to carry a child until birth and then donate said infant to another. However if you're paying for an item (in much the same way that you would purchase a pet) then you have an expectation for certain things. For example, you want a baby with two arms, two legs and a head (one of) with no detectable defects. I'm quite fond of pet rats and I know I'd be straight down the pet shop is one popped his clogs or developed a nasty cough within the first few days of purchase.
Rats will cuddle you no matter how old they get.
Thanks Jen's real mom for being my fan. I may just sit here and glow in the adoration for a moment....
...OK. Thanks. Yes I am a parent. A proud father of three daughters and one son. They're aged 11, 10, 9 and 9 respectively and despite my comments about selling them off I really wouldn't. Oh no. Not after all the years of practice that I've had with my "Dad voice" and yelling at them. What a waste.
Having said that, they are all house trained, have mostly straight teeth, can read and write with some limited skill and can even assist with mundane household tasks. What am I bid?
Let's all pretend that (gramatically correct Jennifer's mom) did not just type "when your thoughts GOES off in wild directions." I can't have a blond moment or blame old age, so I'll blame it on Baby Boomer depression.
What a great idea Jen.
You could have women churning out babies and selling them on Ebay or setting up a shop, maybe along the lines of 'Babies R us'? - non?
Each baby could be stamped with a best before date to guarantee freshness as pertaining to Hoverfrogs concerns about products that have died and gone rotten.
Unemployed single mothers could make a living from something they do anyway; thus, eliminating the benefit and welfare factories in one fell sweep.
We must legalize as soon as possible!!!
I am not sure I agree. Here is the problem, as I see it:
Starting from the premise that societies can (and do) regulate certain commercial activities they deem to be against the public interest, it seems fair to say that whether one believes that life begins at conception or birth (or somewhere in between), most of us would agree that selling another human being is immoral and should remain illegal. Thus, while we may envision being allowed to purchase a fetus on layaway, or a "baby kit" complete with sperm or ova and "some assembly required"--in that respect, not much unlike we might buy cake mix that requires our adding water or an egg--it seems hard to imagine a dystopian America in which one can sell a child without all the legerdemain involved in pretending that what's being sold is "gestational services", say, rather than just "8 lbs, 4 oz of prime, grade A, certified 100%, organic, farm-raised, free-range, hormone free, macrobiotic, no transfat, [your marketing ploy here]. . .BABY!"
In America, you can sell your soul, but since Emancipation you cannot sell another person. That's not likely to change, however hypocritical we may be about a whole host of other commercial activity.
Yeah, here's a reason this isn't legal:
ITS CALLED HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
You cannot sell a human child.
And yeah, it must be so horrible for some woman who wasn't smart enough to think about using protection or the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy to have to endure stretch marks and the inconvenience of the child inside her, even though she actively participated in the process that created it. Awful! She should definitely just kill that child instead. It would make things so much easier on her, and that must make it right.
While we're at it, why dont we just start killing old people who get to be an inconvenience too? Oh right, because thats called euthanasia and thats illegal too.
hmm.. maybe people might have to start living with the consequences of their actions. That would just be terrible. Then they might have to stop viewing everything as a means to self gratification no matter how that may affect others... ugh, can you imagine?!
Oh, seriously, did some pro-life website link here? Because that's going to be SUPER productive for all involved.
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